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| aspatriarca | Turner's "rhetoric" | 1 | Mar 19 2008, 12:25 PM EDT by KaraLa | ||
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Thread started: Mar 17 2008, 1:29 PM EDT
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Throughout this course, we have grappled with different concepts of rhetoric - "rhetoric all the way down," "the available means of persuasion," "all language is rhetoric," "everything and nothing," etc. - and Turner introduces the concept of rhetoric in the early chapters of From Counterculture to Cyberculture (one of the key places he does so is page 25, although there are others). Does his use of rhetoric approximate any of the concepts that we have previously discussed? What is his concept (or concepts) of rhetoric?
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| danleelawson | Materialist ideologies espousing a immaterial ideal | 1 | Mar 19 2008, 12:19 PM EDT by taloy | ||
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Thread started: Mar 17 2008, 2:09 PM EDT
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Turner describes how the utopian vision surrounding the communitarian/egalitarian rhetoric has been appropriated (both by the Left and Right) and conflated (New Left with counterculture, New communalists with both [Turner 33])? How is this possible? What common threads link these seemingly oppositional binaries?
Perhaps even more interesting is a reading of these ideologies in juxtaposition with Barlow’s assertion that “Your legal concepts of property, expression, identity, movement, and context do not apply to us. They are all based on matter, and there is no matter here” (13). Both Marxism and Capitalism are rooted in philosophical materialism (dialectical or otherwise); how are the espoused philosophies/rhetoric of these ideologies reconciled with the material-less digital environment of the internet? |
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| grete | Interdisciplinarity | 1 | Mar 19 2008, 11:33 AM EDT by Megfish | ||
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Thread started: Mar 14 2008, 1:52 PM EDT
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Turner writes, "Because of the changes in scientific practice brought about by World War II, specialists in one discipline began to do things that had previously been considered the proper domain of specialists in other areas. They could justify such leaps across disciplinary boundaries by drawing on the rhetoric of cybernetics" (25). Where is the line between the "methodological pluralism" that Stephen North calls for (North, 369) and Turner's "leaps across disciplinary boundaries"? Is it important that we draw this line? Why or why not?
North, Stephen. M. The Making of Knowledge in Composition: Portrait of an Emerging Field. Portsmouth: Heinemann, 1987. |
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